Christmas Season

Things change around the Christmas season for us, I am sure for many others as well. The daily grind doesn't grind as much. Feelings towards others can even soften, what might normally bother you is forgiven a bit easier.

Maybe the trouble with this is that why is this time of good feelings towards others only temporary?

Maybe this year the best thing we could do to honor the feelings that Christmas brings is to continue those feelings into the next year.

A few weeks ago Mistress was leaving work, she was making a turn out of the parking lot and a guy was coming from the other direction, went thru a stop sign that he didn't even see and followed her. Pulled along side of her at a light and screamed some of the worst things a person possibly could to another human. The idea that the guy was so angry because he felt he was cut off, not realizing the fault was all his makes you sometimes wonder about people. Why the anger for something so small anyways, something so inconsequential in the scope of life?

As it turned out the video surveillance picked up the whole scene and confirmed that he was in the wrong. They asked Mistress if she wanted to press charges and she declined.

I felt different I wanted to have them bring the guy in and make him watch the video and explain at what point he saw something that Mistress did that was so egregious that his actions were justified, I know for a fact that guy would complete feel like an ass if forced to see the situation from a different point of view.

From my end I sometimes have issues with others. Handicap parking spaces are my pet peeve. I can't tell you how many times I have seen a person get out of their car and pull the rear view mirror handicap sign out of their glove box and practically run into the store. Especially during the busy Christmas season. I know those people think because they have procured a sign that they are "Entitled" to park there, that if a true handicap person needs that spot then there is going to be another one so what is the big deal. I really get angry when I see a person do this and lately I have to think to myself, maybe I also need to soften. Even if people feel the need to do a wide variety of things that I feel aren't in the best behavior for a caring human. I can't fall into a negative sort of mood because of it.

So I am starting with myself. I am going to focus on continuing the spirit of treating my fellow humans the way I would like to be treated, I will do my best to make someones day with a nice comment and I will do everything in my power to smile when I might normally get angry at another. I won't make a difference in the overall scope of the world but in my little world it might make a difference.

Ok for those few people that do read my blog I will admit this has nothing to do with my submissiveness. If you don't like it that's fine with me, I will just continue to smile and be thankful for everything I have in life and not worry about what I don't have.

Weekend of productivity

Last weekend was very productive. Spent a lot of time getting the house really clean and cleaning out closets in the spare room and just getting rid of things that were just ready for the garbage. Trash guy is going to hate me tomorrow.

Anyways I did most of this on my own, Mistress didn't give me any direction except, "I want the wood floors cleaned and waxed."

Of course doing all this work can provide a good feeling of accomplishment and it also made Mistress quite happy.

As the time went on I was wishing a bit she would make me do things so it would get my submissive juices flowing but that wasn't to be. I read another blog about a similar topic and it got me thinking.

How much better would it have been if Mistress was constantly inspecting, and assigning chore after chore. Well when I think better do I think better for me or better for her. As it turned out she was quite happy to do her own thing and just not have to worry about things and magically they were done. She enjoyed not having to supervise or make a list of tasks, just enjoy the fruit of her subs labor.

I guess as I venture thru my submission I am slowly learning that sometimes being a sub is just about the business of getting things done. I did that this past weekend and am very glad for it.

The thing is Mistress is very observant and can read my mind like an open book so even with the weekend being as it was she mixed in a few things to spice my days up. At one point she called me into a room and asked if I moved a few things before vacuuming, instead of answering yes or no I answered with, "I think I got the area pretty clean." Of course her response was, "That wasn't what I asked." After admitting I didn't move the items she said, "I think you know what to do then..." As she walked out of the room she added, "And next time you answer like that you will be writing sentences."

As it turned out I didn't earn sentences but I did get a huge reward for a job well done and she was very happy, overall a great weekend...well except for my local NFL team that played like they were just ready to go home after half time.

Oh that hurt.

I will be the first to admit Mistress does not punish me very often. Some people would be happy about it, some not so much.

I used to wish she would punish more when I make a mistake, just the selfish submissive part of me. When we first started our FLR it as something that happened quite a bit. She would make me lay on the bed and she would use her riding crop, paddle or cane on me. When done I would be all proud of myself for being able to take it and kind of wish it would go longer.

What I guess I didn't realize at the time was that we were just playing, I didn't think it was play I thought it was real discipline.

Fast forward a few years and the punishments aren't nearly as often but I am extremely glad for that.

As it turned out as time went on Mistress wanted less to punish, it just isn't a fun game for her BUT when she does she now makes sure it is no game. I now fully realize and understand that if she decided to I am no match for her ass beatings. So much for the big strong man who could take it.

Last night was one of those times. It's probably been 2 months since I have had to lay face down on that bed. So when she sometimes threatens it I don't always take it seriously.

A couple of days ago she was making remarks that maybe I needed to be shown a lesson because some of the things around the house weren't cleaned when she wanted them to be. Then yesterday after work she was looking for some jeans she wanted to wear, as it turned out 3 of the pairs she was looking for were still in the wash. She didn't like that. Then when she said she would just put a pair of sweats on while I finished them the pair she wanted was dirty also. So I was on thin ice already then I being brave made a smart ass comment. Now mind you I am not disrespectful to her in any way. That just isn't me but I have always been a joker type and quick with the wit and one liner comebacks. Apparently when the clothes were dirty yesterday was not the time for jokes.

After my comment she just smiled and said, "You know what, on the bed, pants down." I asked her to reconsider and she just told me every second I delayed it would be worse.

Well it was worse. Oh that freakin hurt. When it was over. I apologized profusely and she accepted it.

She then remarked that she is going to probably need to do this more often to make sure that I am a bit better behaved.

She said it was up to me to not force her hand because she really doesn't enjoy doing that. What used to be a fun game has turned into what it was always supposed to be. A real deterrent to bad behavior from her sub.

Honestly the days of hoping for her punishment are long gone. As usual she wins. I had to work today but I can absolutely guarantee you I will be working very hard at cleaning her house as soon as I get home. She already has let me know that in addition to tonight she wants to go do some shopping tomorrow and what better time for me to spend some time getting some extra chores done for her.

I asked her if I could get up early and clean Sunday so I can watch some football. Her only response was, you can get up early but not really sure about the football. She did say since she will be watching she could let me know how the game went.

Strange times ahead

We have been together for 4 years now. About 2 years ago as the kids left for college we acquired an empty nest. Of course it makes the FLR we live very easy.

Well in a few weeks her daughter will be on break for the Christmas holiday.. Mistress already informed me that I should stay focused with my duties as they are. She won't be expecting her daughter to do any of the housecleaning.

That doesn't mean I will have to do as she says but I should take it upon myself not wait around for her to do things. Then after that she said to me, "I am not sure if I will have you obey her." I think she was jokeing around with me but sometimes I am not sure. Honestly I wouldn't mind obeying her if that's what Mistress wishes but it brings up a very strange situation. I have never had to deal with obeying anyone besides Mistress. Especially someone who is much younger.

In some ways it pushes the buttons in my submissiveness. But in some ways I do it anyways. In the past when she is home I cook and clean up dinner dishes so that isn't different, I clean the house and things of that nature without being told without asking for help. So in that regard there will be no change but just knowing that Mistress told me that she wants me to be on top of things to make sure the daughter doesn't have to do any housework is a change in my mind.

Maybe to some this is normal. Maybe to some obeying others is just part of everyday life. Maybe it will be in time for me as well but in the short term it might be a strange occurrence.

I don't think Mistress has in mind for me to clean her daughters room or do her laundry just the basics around the house, put her coat away when she puts in on a chair, pick her shoes up when she leaves them out. That sort of thing. Although with Mistress who knows.

After discussing it I thought to my self. What happened if she walks in and says, "Go clean my room." I know I would do it because if she said such a thing I would know Mistress told her about our situation but I honestly don't expect such a thing to happen. However I will admit that at the beginning I will be a bit anxious to see how things play out.

Why am I superly submissive???

I know superly really isn't a word. Maybe I just invented it but if it did exist it would fit my mood lately.

It's not been that long since my last release but the level of my submissiveness is over the top the last week or so. That doesn't mean I am not usually submissive, matter of fact I pride myself on the small amount of time that I am not in a submissive frame of mind. Even after a release, a time when so many subs have a difficult time, I seem to be at my submissive best for Mistress quickly. For me the times when I lose submissiveness is when stress permeates my mind.

So even though work is stressful right now that hasn't slowed down my submissiveness at all. Like I said the last week or so have been over the top. Dreams almost every night. Going the extra mile for Mistress without her saying and just the fact that my mind doesn't go more than a few minutes without having submissive thoughts go thru my head. Notice I didn't mention obedience. Whether I am feeling submissive or not I obey Mistress without question so there is no change in that regard.

I really have no idea what has caused this but I am quite happy about it. The best part is that now living as I am being in a submissive mood allows me to express it to Mistress when we are home after a long day at work or whatever the day calls for. The first 43 years of my life were spent time after time dreaming of being able to serve, submissive moods were just more difficult times to ignore what I wanted in life. Now those "superly" submissive times are the best things.

Those times are when I become a little more adventurous, a little more risky in pushing my boundaries and just overall more willing to happily obey with a smile on my face. Mistress recognizes these times also and she likes to push her will a bit too. Overall these are happy days in our house.

I may never figure out what brings it on, just as long as it keeps getting brought on.

FLR and the holidays

I am sure this isn't a new topic but what happens to the average FLR at the holiday season.

No one knows about our FLR relationship so when others are around it goes into stealth mode. If we are at someones house Mistress might glance over to me and shake her glass, a signal that I need to get her another one. But that is usually the extent of it.

If we are hosting the party she will help with things to get them done. She will even help with the cleanup but I don't think its a show to throw people off but instead just helping because there is a lot more to clean up. Mistress doesn't want me to miss spending time with our family and friends so her help is a way to allow me to enjoy the holidays even more.

So as a submissive do I like this? Am I glad I get some help? A little break from normal duties....HELL NO!!! If it was socially acceptable I would enjoy my role and my service to her in front of others.

That means I see holidays as fun but a little bit of a lost opportunity to serve my Mistress. Don't get me wrong it's completely worth it to spend time and make memories but there is a part of me, that dark part of me, that would rather kneel before her, eyes down in front of her while she had fun.

I guess as the holiday season approaches we should all think about the things in life we are grateful for. For each of us that list is different. But no matter how bad things are, how stressful they are there are things we all should be happy are in our lives. This is the time of year to focus on those things, to say thanks for having those things.

For me the ability to live my life serving my Mistress is near the top of the list.

Subby Weekend

This weekend was an extremely Submissive time for me. Mistress was feeling more dominant than normal and with everything being busy the house wasn't as clean as usual. Saturday was a long day of cleaning for me. However we had an afternoon appointment on Saturday so I had to stop working at a certain time.

Before leaving Mistress asked me, "So looks like you got a lot done already, I see my bedroom hasn't been cleaned yet, when are you planning on getting that done, my makeup area is really a mess?"

As a side note the term "Her bedroom" references the room we both sleep in, it belongs to her just as I do."

I answered, "I want to have it done this weekend, so either later today or tomorrow."

She just looked at me and after a minute I realized she didn't like my answer, she pushed me down to my knees and repeated, "So when are you going to get my room cleaned, so I don't have to deal with a messy makeup area?"

That stopped me as I realized now what I had done. I was telling her when I was going to do what she wanted done. Not doing it when she wanted it done.

I changed my response, "I will clean your room when you decide you want it cleaned."

She replied, "That's better, I want it done as soon as you are able."

We got home that evening from our appointment and I was pretty tired, she never told me to clean the room, we relaxed on the couch watching TV but I knew in my head that I should be cleaning her mess up. So I asked for permission to go clean her room. She smiled and said, "That is an excellent idea."

It was almost 10pm before I was done but she was quite happy. I was glad I had it done and out of the way and it made for an easier Sunday.

As a sub it was a great learning experience for me. Serving her means serving her when and how she chooses. As a servant it is not my place to decide when something is convenient for me to do.

When her area is dirty or messy or just needs cleaning up, the delay on my end causes her to have to deal with that mess when she shouldn't have to. And Saturday night that time I spent cleaning her bedroom while she watched a movie was one of the more powerful submissive feelings. I knew while cleaning that area that I was working instead of relaxing so she could relax and so she could enjoy a clean room. The whole time that tingle of excitement in the pit of my stomach was present and I enjoyed every second of it.

Mistress has become extremely comfortable in the knowledge that when she makes a mess her only responsibility is to decide whether my clean up efforts were to her expectations. I have learned that these moment also make my submissive fantasies every thing I have ever dreamed of.

"None of your business"

She was joking when she said it and probably doesn't really remember the situation but those words, "None of your business." fuel my submissive desires like no other seem to.

I guess I should explain a bit. A few months back I was cleaning on a Friday evening after work, it was getting late, not real late but after a long day at work, 9pm can feel late to keep cleaning. I asked Mistress if it was OK to stop for the evening and relax a bit. Her answer with a laugh was, "No, keep cleaning, you haven't been cleaning enough this week, I want you to keep going." I said "Yes Mistress, can I ask how long I have to continue?"

Her answer with a big grin was, "No you may not, what I do with my servant and how long I want him to work is none of your business, you just keep working until I decide differently."

She said it to rub in her dominance to me and she knows how much those types of actions get my submissive juices flowing.

When she said those words though, it was like a bolt of lightning running thru me. The idea that what I was going to do, how long I had to work and if I would get to relax really wasn't my business, that my job was to obey, there is another person, who has the authority, that decides those other things.

Words cannot describe the emotions that bounce around the brain of a submissive when power like that is exerted on us. Many days when I am not feeling so submissive because of work stress or something else, just thinking back to that moment will get me right back to where I want to be.

If you aren't a submissive those words would be nails on the chalkboard to think that what you will be doing really isn't your own business, that somebody else has complete control. To a submissive it can be heaven, knowing you are truly there for someone else, a tool to be used, without complaint, without bitterness or jealousy, to know your place and knowing you have dreamed your whole life to be in that exact spot.

Big bag of wind.

The title might not fit too well. But Sunday we were in the path of the Midwest storm that caused a lot of damage. Put our power out for 2 days and caused a tree to fall and land on our house.

Lots of cutting in cold and snow and even a episode of tree cutting last night with Mistress holding a flashlight while I had the chainsaw going in near dark conditions.

Bottom line, not fun and add to it the generator wouldn't work until I completely tore apart and cleaned out the carburetor and you might be able to guess the week has been anything but a submissive trip down fantasy lane this week.

Still with all that going on my place is still reminded by Mistress' little shows of dominance. So even in the face of problems and issues that life can throw at us, our FLR is still ever present.

 I guess the point here is that in our FLR (and my guess many others) there are many times that what you might picture as a submissive life just doesn't match what really happens. Those are the times where you realize the FLR is real. Its not a game played on evenings when it is convenient. As I have said before that's what makes it so good, just being a real way of life for me and not just a game makes it all the better.

Tonight will entail getting home from work and cutting the tree into fireplace logs and preparing Mistress' dinner. For her part she will probably do whatever she chooses and hopefully she will sit back and be glad she has a servant to take care of things.

What makes you really obey.

Thinking out loud. Or at least on paper. Well crap it's not even paper anymore.

Never mind all that, thinking about obedience to my Mistress. What makes a sub obey? I suppose it depends on the relationship, for me it goes way deep to the reason I am how I am.

For us when Mistress tells me to do something I do it however, even with punishment looming, what makes me obey? Am I afraid of being punished, yes at times but that isn't the real reason that when she says scrub the kitchen floor I do it no questions asked. No it goes much deeper, there is a fear that no matter how dominant she is that if I refuse to obey she will relent eventually on her dominance. That scares me more than any punishment I can ever dream of. It would be losing the dream life I always fantasized about.

That more than anything will push me to happily obey her words even at those times where I am not feeling it so much.

The last week as been one of those times, I am trying to get in shape and focusing on that plus the stress level at work is making my submissive life difficult these days. Each day I am getting closer to being myself but late last week was a difficult for my submissiveness, I had to really push myself and as I get more back to my submissive self I am glad I did.

So am I glad it is this way? Would I rather Mistress was so dominant that a slight breach in obedience would result in punishment severe enough that I wouldn't dare disobey her again? No that isn't us, in addition to being my lover she is my best friend as well, so the dynamic between us would change if she treated me so harshly.

I will admit before I really ever experienced submissiveness to another person my fantasies were filled with being the slave of a beautiful woman who owned me, expected obedience and enforced it with an iron will. I also pictured being just that to her a servant, a slave, a tool for her to use to make her life easier, not as an integral part of a relationship. As much as the submissive fantasy portion of my brain gets excited about the prospect of such treatment, I couldn't live life that way full time. It would start out exciting and I would quickly become unfulfilled.

I am much happier with reality of what we have and realize that she does own me heart and soul and she does have my complete obedience. Just not for the reasons I thought in my fantasies.

Uncomfortable topic

Ok time to write about an uncomfortable topic for me.

Cross dressing....

I know a lot of people don't get into it, that's fine but for those of us who do...Why?

I spent decades of my life fantasizing about it without ever doing it, I was too scared, too embarrassed and just thought if it stayed in my mind it wasn't really who I was. So I never tried it but I thought about it all the time.

I would dream that a beautiful woman would own me and make me her slave, dress me up as a maid and make me clean for her and just serve her, to be there for her, without reward. I pictured her giving me this maids outfit to wear that I would act like it was torture to wear it but inside I would be excited beyond belief.

See that's the point. She made me do it...it wasn't my wishes. Well that's a bunch of crap. One thing I learned from Mistress is that she didn't mind me doing it if I wanted to. She has accepted it but it's not anything she makes me do. In the beginning when telling her about my cross dress desires in play she made me do it and I did exactly what my fantasies of old dictated, I acted like I was being forced.

It has taken me a long time to admit that it's something I like, something "I" want to do. That was a hurdle for me. One that didn't get cleared until recently. Now things are different in that regard, I do it when I choose and feel much more at ease with it.

I won't act like I do it all the time, I do it when I clean after work on early on the weekends when I get up to clean. It adds to my submission but yet it is a separate thing from submission.

I am submissive without cross dressing but its hard to cross dress without being in a submissive mood. One thing is for sure, my motivation to work harder, clean better and be more obedient is both more effective for her and more enjoyable for me when I am dressed up.

What does this mean??? Probably not a damn thing but for me to discuss it is just another way for me being closer to who I truly am. Maybe this is a bit of therapy for a guy who lived 40 plus years only dreaming of what he really wanted in life. Therapy for a person who had their fantasies locked in their own head for decades never to be told to a soul, now all of a sudden it's real and it's better than any of those fantasies I have ever pictured.

One thing I am seeing is that, my fantasy that a girl wants me to dress as a girl so I can deal with heels like she has had to do for years isn't the way it works. I am sure most girls have no desire to see their guy dressed like this but there are some that realize that their man wants, maybe even needs this once in a while and is more than willing to "Put up with it" because of the love they have for them.

Many think that in an FLR the men serve and get little in return, if you are one of those who see that from the outside you really are wrong, us men in an FLR get just as much of what we want if not more than the ones we serve, just what we get out of it doesn't match what the average person wants out of a relationship.

Friday, empty nest temporarily ends.

Friday one of the kids came home from college for the weekend. This means a hiatus from my open submission. Kind of hard to be calling her Mistress with kids around or wearing a maids uniform to clean. But submission still lives in our house, her commands become even more like requests than a normal day (which I wrote about in previous post). I still do the housework and obey Mistress, it just is more in stealth mode. Mistress realizes all this but can't help once in a while flaunting her authority for fun, "I am looking for this shirt to wear, is it clean yet and up in my closet yet?" That type of thing. However with her little fun and jokes and mine as well there is one thing that doesn't change. If by chance I show her up, let me duties lag too much or do anything disrespectful to her with the kids around you can be it will be addressed when we are alone again Sunday evening.

Those seem to be the worst punishments. If I forget to pick something up at the store or the house is a little messy that might slide. However if I show her disrespect then forget it plan on a sore ass for a couple days. She doesn't go for that. She doesn't punish me that way often but when she does, she lays it on pretty hard. She used to ride horses and uses the riding crop pretty well. I believe she doesn't punish me this way often as she wants that to be a message sent. When she says, "Lay down on the bed, take your pants off." a fear runs thru me. If this happened more often that might not be as pronounced. Maybe I will ask her about it but I would probably get her standard answer, "Don't know, I do it when I feel like it."

Sunday evening we will have an empty nest again and "normal days" will be restored. Unless you have lived this way you can't understand the excitement of just a "normal day."

I thank god for Mistress S every day, not only is she my dominant come true but also my best friend. I actually wrote a poem for her yesterday, here it is.

Journey of a lifetime

We spend our life on a journey to follow and obtain our dreams.

For everyone these dreams are as different as their individual journey thru life.

In our early years we follow dreams and our journey begins.

As we grow the dreams change and the journey thru life changes direction.

Some dream of money and fame, some dream of family and love.

For many they dream of all of these and the path of their journey becomes difficult.

Try as they may the path the seemingly paved with gold pulls them.

The direction this journey takes can sometimes hurt loved ones and make a person seem selfish.

For others, they travel towards the gold and the rainbow at the end, but it can seem hollow.

The path can become an empty and lonely place, filled instead with regret.

For some traveling this path they realize they want to change their journey.

They realize that the smile of special person is the most rewarding path to follow.

When they finally find that special person their life changes forever.

Their journey takes on a whole new path, glitter and gold become less important.

And so their journey through life changes.

The new path they follow becomes wider.

Wide enough for two to walk side by side.

To journey through life together, following a path that brings happiness at every turn.

Not because of the glitter and gold but because of the person they travel with.

The path isn't always smooth but walking it hand in hand makes it easier to travel.

This path has challenges but the strength of two make it easier to navigate.

Some people spend their lives ignoring this path and choose to stay on the narrow road.

For some finding the wider path is the reward of a lifetime.

4 years ago the narrow path reached a dead end for me.

And I stepped onto the wider path, never before has the journey been so enjoyable.

The new path was filled with love and happiness.

All because of the person I walk hand in hand with.

Submitting on regular day.

Most posts focus on certain things that occur, certain things that cause a memory, whether it be good or bad, but always something memorable.

What about the average day, the regular Tuesday after work with nothing planned? How does submission play into your life?

For me it's very comforting, it isn't usually filled with her dominant commands and me constantly on my knees awaiting her next order. No, its just the two of us sitting down for dinner, which I prepared, and talking about the day. Nothing out of the ordinary from a vanilla couple. But yet if you pay attention closely there are differences.

When she talks about her day, I focus on her, no day dreaming, is this because I fear she will punish me...No, it's about respect. She is my love, my priority and deserves for me to give her my full attention when she talks.

When we are done eating nothing needs to be said, although she might, just to show her authority, I clean up the dishes, I don't need to be told and when I am done I find her and ask if there is anything else I can do for her, most of the time that's a 'no' and I sit down next to her on the couch with my iPad and the remote to see what is on the TV.

When she wants something she just asks, "Water, please?" or "Can you go upstairs and get my glasses please?" It is worded as a question because that is how she is but it's not. When she says it, I am happy to go, and go immediately, I don't answer, "OK, I will do it at the next commercial." or "After this game I am playing is over." Its a quiet obedience, it is just normal to us.

At bed time I put lotion on her, each and every night, she doesn't need to ask and I don't need to be told.

As I see it now what would be difficult for a non submissive to put up with I am more than happy to oblige her. And for her part what she would have never asked of anyone in her past she does so of me without a second thought. And the best part is it has become second nature to us in everyday life.

These are the days I never knew existed in my submissive fantasies of my past. Yet they are the best days of my life now.

Yes there are still the Saturdays where I am told, "Don't make plans, get your maid uniform on, I have a bunch of things for you to do." Those days push my submissiveness to the next level and I enjoy every minute of them. But they aren't the reality of everyday life for us.

And as I have learned through my journey in submission, reality is better than fantasy.

Back again...Finally.

So I haven't blogged in over a year...Why? Well I guess in some ways I was dissapointed. I thought more people would read it and when that really didn't happen I assumed I was doing a poor job of keeping peoples interest.

So why am I back? I have now come to the conclusion that I don't care how many people read it. For those of you who do, I graciously thank you, for the rest no harm no foul.

In some ways as a submissive so much of what we do is geared towards taking care of others. To spend hours doing things so that others might enjoy more of their time. As a sub we tend to concentrate less on ourselves and that's why I stopped writing, in some ways I felt I wasn't doing anything for others by writing.

Now I realize sometimes you just have to do things for yourself and if anyone chooses to like it, comment on it, read it, or print it up and use it to light their fireplace then that is great, if not then I will use this as my tool for self guidance. When I started writing I did it for me and now I am back to that again. I am writing for myself, to put my thoughts and experiences down. Whether anyone reads or not won't change the fact that this is my outlet.

So from here on out I will blog more, I will record my experiences, thoughts, opinions and if people choose to read then that is completely awesome and if they don't then the result is the same, completely awesome.